“Detroit probably had the highest concentration of Black owned retailers anywhere in America.” Rufus Bartell’s story moves from a South Carolina family lineage shaped by the Great Migration to Greater Bethlehem Temple, Drew Middle School, Mackenzie High School, real estate, and more than three decades in Detroit’s garment industry. Fashion started at home, where his father “kind of set the trends,” and every Sunday church meant watching him “bring his Sunday best” alongside a congregation where showing up fly was part of the culture. By Mackenzie, “every day Mackenzie was a fashion show,” and that eye for style eventually became strategy through Fashion Party Weekend—four events connecting Detroiters with independent Black retailers while bringing designers and industry relationships directly into the city. The concept helped models and designers reach national and international opportunities and helped seed the Independent Retail Association. Bartell’s larger lesson reaches beyond clothes: “You have to put cookies back in the cookie jar.” Listen for a Detroit business history about style becoming enterprise, enterprise becoming community infrastructure, and legacy meaning creating opportunity for whoever comes next.
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“We have been locked away from our history all these years.” Olayami Dabls’ journey into Detroit history begins long before the African Bead Museum became a landmark at Grand River and West Grand Boulevard. Arriving in Detroit in the 1960s, Dabls settled on 12th Street, worked at Grace Hospital, witnessed the 1967 Rebellion, and was arrested while simply trying to understand what was happening around him. Then came Vietnam, where a young Vietnamese boy challenged him: “This is not your war. You got a war back home.” That encounter helped turn Dabls toward books, African history, education at Northern High School and Highland Park Community College, and eventually 15 years of work with Detroit’s African American Museum. His search for knowledge became a search for cultural memory. In 1994, two strands of African beads opened another door, teaching him that beads carried histories, identities, protection, energy, and meanings far beyond decoration. That understanding grew into Dabls African Bead Museum and the monumental Iron Teaching Rocks How to Rust installation. “The best way you can control a person is to keep them ignorant,” Dabls says, making this conversation more than one man’s biography. It is a lesson about who defines knowledge, what Black Detroit chooses to preserve, and why Dabls believes “value is determined by what do you have that your ancestors used.” Listen to hear how one Detroiter turned displacement, war, study, art, and African consciousness into a living institution asking future generations to remember who they were before somebody else told them.
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“If we don’t care about us who will” Lazar Favors asks, placing the mission behind Taste of Black Spirits Detroit Amplify 2026 in plain language: Black ownership means more when Black communities intentionally build the relationships, distribution, knowledge, and buying power to sustain it. In this special edition of Detroit is Different, Lazar joins Khary Frazier to reflect on a journey that grew from five or six bottles on a podcast table into 500 products, 17 Taste of Black Spirits editions across five cities, and a movement connecting Black-owned brands, retailers, restaurants, and consumers. “If you own something Black you should sell something Black,” Lazar says, explaining why access matters as much as ownership. The conversation explores his growing palate, the complicated regulations governing spirits, Detroit brands, Black distribution, and why quality must drive the movement alongside cultural commitment. That work comes alive September 25 at Belle Isle Casino with the Liquid Forum from 11AM–3PM and Grand Tasting Exhibition from 4PM–8PM, featuring industry leaders, mixologists, entrepreneurs, and 200-plus spirit brands. This conversation connects yesterday’s exclusion to today’s ownership opportunities while asking what intentional Black economic ecosystems can build for tomorrow.
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“I was taught how to organize at church.” Imani Foster’s story is about what happens when faith, family, education, and Black Detroit community organizing become parts of the same practice. At 26, Foster carries lessons from parents who taught her that “good is not enough better is possible” and that meaningful work rarely happens overnight. Those lessons show up in her education justice organizing with 482 Forward, where work she began at 15 grew from witnessing Detroit’s school crisis firsthand at Renaissance High School, including teacher sickouts during emergency management. They also live in Hey Black Girl, the healing, empowerment, and yoga program she leads with Black girls at the Matrix Center near Six Mile and Gratiot. Foster challenges adults to stop deciding what young people need before listening to them, explaining that trust comes through consistency and creating spaces where youth can simply be. “I see people and I love people,” she says, connecting the leadership development she learned in church to the organizing she practices today. From Detroit public schools and educational inequity to children’s ministry, critical thinking, charter schools, and the lasting educational consequences of COVID, Foster asks what it truly means for every child to be served. Listen for a conversation about building institutions where Black children are not managed as numbers but seen as people with leadership, possibility, and futures worth investing in.
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“I wanted to come back to the city that raised me.” Jasmine Brooks’ commitment to Detroit students is rooted in a life shaped by family, faith, education, dance, and service. Raised near Aretha Franklin’s childhood home, nurtured at Hartford Memorial Baptist Church, educated at Renaissance High School, the University of Michigan, and Wayne State, Jasmine traces how Detroit institutions and Black community traditions prepared her to pour into another generation. As a child, Jasmine was introduced to dance and taught by legends like Penny Godboldo (RIP) and Gina Ellis. That foundation in creativity—and in learning how to find her place and space on stage, in rhythm—helped prepare her to navigate the many paths toward success. Today, her connection with the students of Graduate313 brings that journey full circle. “It’s an opportunity to learn even more about myself and what my future self is looking to get into,” she says of what young people should experience through Graduate313. Her vision reaches beyond college admission toward “their upward mobility for life.” Listen for a Detroit story about what happens when the people who were poured into decide to become somebody else’s bridge.
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“I had a knack for putting things together with my hands.” Before the architecture schools, international travel, installations, and Studio M, Melinda Anderson was a Detroit child turning shoeboxes into houses, coffee creamers into tiny toilets, and dioramas into whole worlds where “people [were] swinging from the ceiling.” That imagination became a calling. Raised on Detroit’s east side, Melinda remembers her father taking her to ethnic festivals and the Festival of the Arts, making creativity, art, and design feel inseparable from life itself. Cass Tech gave that instinct language through architecture and drafting; U of M opened her eyes to a larger world, even as she navigated classrooms where “there weren’t many of us.” Years later, that childhood imagination produced a 10-foot-tall, 20-foot-wide boombox for Movement that showed her how strongly people respond to design installations. When COVID stopped gatherings, a heart installation commissioned by Bedrock for Parker’s Alley became the pivot that helped save her business and opened another lane for her creativity. Today, with clients asking her to create installations abroad, the heart of her story remains remarkably consistent: the child who said, “I could just look at stuff and I could put it together,” is still there. Listen for what can happen when we protect the imagination we had before the world told us what was practical.
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"I'm old school." That simple declaration opens a conversation that quickly becomes a masterclass on why history, creativity, and community are inseparable. Artist, educator, gardener, mother, and cultural storyteller Halima Cassells returns to Detroit is Different to reflect on a lifetime of creating work that invites people to slow down, look deeper, and rediscover Detroit through a new lens. From revisiting a forgotten Belle Isle installation that "came with instructions" to exploring Indigenous history, family influence, and the importance of asking questions, Halima reminds us that "I really love digging into history... I want to know the story behind stuff." That passion now lives inside her Detroit-themed coloring book, where landmarks, heroes, movements, and cultural icons become opportunities for learning, reflection, and healing. Together, Khary Frazier and Halima explore why art is more than something to admire—it's a tool for preserving memory, strengthening identity, and reconnecting generations to the stories that shaped Detroit. This conversation challenges us to see history not as distant facts but as the lived experiences of real people whose sacrifices continue to shape our neighborhoods today. As Detroit imagines its future, Halima shows that understanding where we've been is essential to creating where we're going, proving that creativity remains one of our community's greatest acts of cultural preservation and collective liberation.
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"I'm an east sider until I die." That declaration from Joshua Roberson sets the tone for a conversation rooted in legacy, accountability, and love for Detroit. From an unexpected reunion in a neighborhood grocery store to an in-depth discussion about four generations of family history, Joshua shares how his great-grandparents journeyed from South Carolina and Georgia during the Great Migration, planting roots that continue to shape his purpose today. He reflects on being raised in a family that proudly claimed Detroit, the friendly rivalry between King and Kettering High Schools, and why neighborhood identity is about far more than geography—it's about responsibility. As someone who serves on the board of a financial institution while remaining deeply connected to everyday Detroit life, Joshua challenges the idea that leadership should ever be separated from the people. His story reminds listeners that institutions become stronger when they remain accountable to community, and neighborhoods become stronger when generations preserve their history while investing in their future. This episode is a powerful reflection on how family legacy, economic empowerment, and authentic relationships create the foundation for thriving Black communities. Detroit's past lives through people like Joshua Roberson, and its future depends on carrying that commitment forward, one conversation, one neighborhood, and one generation at a time.
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"You don't know who's in there. Some of the biggest opportunities have always happened when nobody was watching." That lesson becomes the heartbeat of this unforgettable Detroit is Different conversation with Deidre 'DSSense' Smith, an emcee, spoken word artist, educator, healer, and lifelong cultural worker whose journey reflects the evolution of Black Detroit itself. From rocking nearly empty rooms during the Hamtramck Metro Times Blowout to becoming a respected professor and community trainer, DSSense reminds us that purpose is built through consistency, faith, and showing up long before recognition arrives. Alongside stories of cold nights, freestyle sessions, and Detroit's underground hip-hop culture, she reflects on growth, saying, "Everything in Divine Order," while acknowledging that she now has "a bit more to offer and talk about." Their conversation celebrates artistry not as performance alone, but as a pathway toward healing, education, and collective transformation. Khary and DSSense revisit the relationships, risks, and resilience that shaped Detroit's creative community while offering wisdom to every artist who wonders if their work matters. This episode bridges Detroit's hip-hop past with its future, showing how culture creates opportunity, how mentorship preserves legacy, and why investing in authentic community voices today ensures that future generations inherit more than stories—they inherit a blueprint for healing, creativity, and liberation.
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"It went from me wanting leggings that fit my body on my weight loss journey to people wearing them at the airport." That single moment captures the heart of Ashley Nicole's Detroit Is Different conversation. Ashley reflects on transforming a deeply personal health journey into a nationally recognized athleisure brand featured by Oprah and Good Morning America, while remaining grounded as a wife, mother, business owner, and creative spirit. She shares how authenticity, consistency, and showing both victories and setbacks built a loyal community that believed in her l"It went from me wanting leggings that fit my body on my weight loss journey to people wearing them at the airport." That single moment captures the heart of Ashley Nicole's Detroit Is Different conversation. Ashley reflects on transforming a deeply personal health journey into a nationally recognized athleisure brand featured by Oprah and Good Morning America, while remaining grounded as a wife, mother, business owner, and creative spirit. She shares how authenticity, consistency, and showing both victories and setbacks built a loyal community that believed in her Filled with stories about social media, branding, family, faith, and resilience, this episode explores how one woman's commitment to herself became an invitation for thousands of others to believe in themselves. Ashley reminds us that when Black women create solutions rooted in lived experience, they build businesses that strengthen families, inspire future generations, and leave a lasting legacy for the Detroit community and beyond.
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